puggyfeeesh Moderator
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This season has been very odd, it's not exactly bad but certainly not good like last year. The zander have been less co-operative than usual but in an odd way. A good day in the summer usually involves visiting say 10 swims, and on a couple of those swims there will usually be multiple fish, say 12 or 15 between the 2 swims, then a few odd fish or two from 3 or 4 of the other swims and then say 4 empty swims. This summer it has been one fish from every swim, it's like pulling teeth. I've had 3 goodish half-hours scattered through the last 10 weeks and the rest has been pure attrition. The rivers have been in reasonable nick to my eye and there's not any obvious clue as to why they have been out of sorts. Haven't fished as much as last season but that's mainly down to not wanting to concentrate all day for a handful of fish (I'm getting soft). It does bring home though that this is only my 9th season afloat and I know nothing! It's so easy to slip into a pattern of thinking based on a few years, which may have been exceptionally good and I didn't even realise! Is anyone having a bumper time? __________________ Webmaster Dave
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JohnCahill Registered: 27/03/05
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Reply with quote | #2 | Same here Dave - not easy but catching consistently.
No Big fish yet but enjoyable.
As you know i have missed the last 3-4 years, i seem to recall the river had flow !!!! Getting tired of light upstream winds pushing the boat back against the flow.
Rain, wind and flow for me please.
PS can you tell the Pike to stop taking me Zed Jigs
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Reply with quote | #3 | Funny about the pike being a nuisance taking your jigs, there's a reason for it. But it's not something I'd discuss here, partly because I like keeping an edge and partly because no-one would believe me anyway. __________________ Webmaster Dave
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Fryfishing Registered: 07/12/08
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Reply with quote | #4 | As you are experienced Zander fishers could I ask you a couple of questions.
I have been reading an American book called Pro Tactics Walley, apart from being slightly taken back by the amount of electronics they talk about. I am wondering about the use of cloured line/braid to detect takes while jigging/fishing have you any opinions on this subject?
Also they do not use wire traces, judging by your comment on the pike I guess that a wire trace is a must over here. I am planning a jigging session at Grafham later in the year and I am wondering if using a trace will mean less chance of a zander. Any comments would be appreciated. Fryfishing __________________ Fryfishing |
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puggyfeeesh Moderator
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Excellent questions. Wire. If you don't use wire in UK waters you are going to lose a lot of jigs to pike. Will you catch any more zander for doing so? I don't know. I catch plenty of zander (including some big smart ones) using wire leaders and although I could never prove it I'd bet it doesn't make a jot of difference except perhaps in very occasional exceptional circumstances - say using very light jigs for heavily pressurised (caught many times) zander, not a scenario likely to arise in the UK, or perhaps rather more often for very small (sub-1lb) fish which struggle to take the jig and may feel a problem, although the weight of the jighead is more likely to bother them I suspect, I catch plenty of the little ones on my gear (unfortunately!) with jigs as heavy as 25g. Many missed takes are down to perch and pike, I'm amazed how often a pike will come back and hit a jig 2 or 3 times before it finally gets itself hooked, I usually move off when I feel a pike take. (Get the boat partner over the pike, that's the plan!!!!!) The US walleye scene is very different from our zander situation, pike are not respected at all and they are usually fishing for a very low average size of fish. I have read a lot of US walleye stuff and I don't think it's very helpful, it's much better to go to European sources The Dutch for instance started with the walleye tactics and rapidly adapted them to suit their own waters and their zander, much larger both on average and at specimen size than the US walleye. My zander luring really took off when I fished in Holland, although it has developed slightly differently from my friend Michel Huigevoort's approach, mainly down to different waters and opportunities. If you were really keen you would learn to read some Dutch, or maybe press your schoolboy French into service, there's a lot of good angling writing on the continent. Coloured line. Last year I swapped all my regular PowerPro to Hi-Vis Yellow, not because I'd detect takes any better (I feel takes, not see them) but because sometimes when fishing tight to sunken trees, especially in windy conditions I didn't always feel the line touching a branch and needed to watch the line angle very carefully to avoid snagging, it was definitely worth the trouble and expense for that reason. But there are conditions when the Hi-Vis Yellow is all but invisible, Tim Kelly uses the red colour and there are times when that is much more visible. The best edge you can get is to buy a St Croix Avid blank/rod (see the jigging article article on my website for the details), if you really want to learn how to jig then you need all the information you can get, using the right rod transforms the experience. __________________ Webmaster Dave
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puggyfeeesh Moderator
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Things took a turn for the better last week. Realising that just doing more of the same in the same places and hoping it would improve was just not working I tried a slightly different approach with a bit of a tweak to the usual techniques. Result! Plenty of zander and some surprise pike from a couple of areas that have only ever been "one fish" places. Big smiles all round. I'm not telling what I did technically but the extra fish I caught were from deeper water than usual. I checked out the usual techniques and places as well for a control and they were still slow. There's always plenty to to learn. Keep doing the same stuff and you are at the mercy of the river, you have to adapt and explore the less obvious. Although now it's worked it does seem obvious that there were loads of pointers to the plan from odd incidents over the last few years.
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GaryPalmer Registered: 22/02/05
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I tried something different for the same reasons Dave and ended up with a nice mid double pike and a carp about the same size, will not be trying that again...... |
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One week later and the same approach utterly failed! Apparently similar connditions and fish obviously present (because we caught some with other methods) but last week's magic was now like poison. Ah well, I wouldn't enjoy it if it was too easy.
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TimKelly Registered: 02/02/05
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Reply with quote | #9 | Unfortunately most quantum leaps turn out not to be. Great when something new works, but almost more disappointing when it doesn't repeat itself!
Thought I'd got the pike sussed myself a few weeks ago. Mega slow retrieve with a long pause about halfway back was absolutely the only thing they were interested in, and they were very interested. Thought I'd worked out what they wanted in the clear water. Absolutely no interest since.
Stupid fish.
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The "new" method again saved my skin over the weekend. I never really believed it was gong to be a magic bullet but it has added a major new weapon to my armoury. Best thing is that I've learned a lot about a couple of swims, one's a sort of add-on to one I knew before the other is almost new ground. The "new" areas have contributed a lot of fish to my season and if they had not done so I'd have been struggling.
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TerryMelsom Registered: 02/05/05
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Reply with quote | #11 | So far...........i've not managed to get out too often........still having problems with a gammy leg ! However, i had a cracking fish at 28.4 on my first trolling session early in the year.( firetiger, firewood!)After that, stacks of small fish on the handful ......dozens of them.. It's been a long time since i witnessed this anywhere. of occasions i've managed to get afloat.
One thing i did notice was the amount of small pike in the marina......lolly stick size......it's been a long time since i witnessed this anywhere.A few others around the 300mm size, but lots of inbetweens. On the catching front....mostly small fish............trolling and casting.
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Things have picked up rather since my first posting but it's still very weird. I pity anyone venturing out onto the Severn at the moment, it looks fabulous and clear but the pike are not exactly jumping into the boat and the zander take a lot of catching. Yet in terms of zander I feel I've learned quite a bit about a few swims and quite a lot about jig technique. When it's easy, jigging is ridiculously easy, but it isn't easy all the time and when it's not you've got to try some rather less-mainstream stuff, keeping up with the fish requires an open mind, I try to go out with a "know nothing" mindset, beyond fishing in the best places that I know and believing that if I try something that's right then the fish will tell me very quickly. In clear water there are fewer zander to be caught and you have to try a lot of stuff in the places where you believe there are some zander to tease a few out. __________________ Webmaster Dave
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